Is Joel Embiid more valuable to the Sixers than Ben Simmons? | First Take


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  • Hatedj
    Hatedj  2 months back

    Duh Joel more valuable.... Ben is that guy who can catch every alley but you leave him open on jumpers because he a non threat Just stating the obvious. I mean we all just watched the same playoffs series with both players playing. This a no brainer... This about be Jimmy and Joel team 🤷‍♂️🤣😂🤣😂

    • AYO G
      AYO G  3 months back

      Uh yeah. Shut up

      • Vishaal Venugopal
        Vishaal Venugopal  3 months back

        embiid but simmons is a tank, his health will hold up quite similar to lebron's whereas embiid is suspect by the time he reaches 27, 28 im not sure how healthy he'd be

        • SnAxthe grate
          SnAxthe grate  3 months back

          Video in a nutshell yes....

          • Nick Zhang
            Nick Zhang  3 months back

            Well they need to stay together to have a chance of winning a title because the Greek Freak will be the best player in the world for most of the next decade

            • Junaid Desai
              Junaid Desai  3 months back

              I'm trying to think who would be better with 4 shooters around them. Because no one can stop Embiid 1 on 1 inside. And Simmons passing is insane.

              If Simmons gets a jumper and Embiid gets a health pill, it should technically be a wrap for the title and a dynasty

              • DeShan Nichols
                DeShan Nichols  3 months back

                Micheal Wilborn gotta smart son because I would come home from school everyday asking basketball questions to

                • Rochester new york
                  Rochester new york  3 months back

                  Why the comparing teammates its playoff time talk about they win and next game

                  • Rochester new york
                    Rochester new york  3 months back

                    What does it matter they stay together they just got together

                    • THABOMB98126
                      THABOMB98126  3 months back

                      There are so many superstars without a jump shot...

                      • Darryl
                        Darryl  3 months back

                        THABOMB98126 like who?

                    • Gianluca Fernando
                      Gianluca Fernando  3 months back

                      here we go the media trying to bring drama again.. soo annoying

                      • Manu Camus
                        Manu Camus  3 months back

                        What a stupid question, Ben Simmons is the superior talent, develop a jumpShot, better than Jordan!

                        • Manu Camus
                          Manu Camus  3 months back

                          No, Embid is talented but he is not especial, many centers match his size and skills, Ben is comparable with Grant hill or Lebron but bigger, that's special, if he develops an jumpShot he could be the Goat!

                          • Skev Beats
                            Skev Beats  3 months back

                            Crazy no one ever brings up the 17 game winning streak Ben went on without Embiid last year to go into the playoffs

                            • RL M
                              RL M  3 months back

                              Tony looks like they just let him out of the drunk tank!

                              • Skev Beats
                                Skev Beats  3 months back

                                Dude doesn't show his face till the evening usually lol

                            • Splash Static
                              Splash Static  3 months back

                              They both important cause philly ain’t winning nothing without them both ha

                              • Process Trusted
                                Process Trusted  3 months back

                                Bro I love how people dont mention how Embiid was out for 15 games last yr in Ben's rookie season and he lead dat team to a playoffs without Joel. Their first playoff appearance since 2012 c'mon now. Yes his jumper is ugly but he can do everything else it's insane for his size

                            • Despair
                              Despair  3 months back

                              guys talk about Simmons like it was the end of the world, not having a jumpshot. And actually Simmons is surrounded by shooters just like Giannis, so why are we criticizing him so much? Reddick, Embiid, Harris, Butler, ALL of them can shoot well. It's Antetokoumpo part II, much closer than LeBron part II.

                              • MosMoneyENT
                                MosMoneyENT  3 months back

                                See these are the type of headlines that causes a team to fall apart. I hope Ben nor Joel paid it any mind.

                                • Exclusive Johnny
                                  Exclusive Johnny  3 months back

                                  “now he’s got to be reggie miller and ben simmons?” that’s not what we’re saying fuckface he hasn’t hit ONE THREE in his entire career. We just want him to be able to knockdown simple set shots

                                  • Bastardson OfJefferson
                                    Bastardson OfJefferson  3 months back

                                    Max wants to break them up because he's trying to recruit for the Lakers. Dudes a fucking homer.

                                    • Edwin Sanchez
                                      Edwin Sanchez  3 months back

                                      Stephen a Smith pissing Tony off lol

                                      • Ookie
                                        Ookie  3 months back

                                        They stay trying to break these guys up

                                        • Brick Limmons
                                          Brick Limmons  3 months back

                                          You can't trade Brick Simmons because Embidd might not even be in the league in 3 years. Simmons is forever. He just needs to work on that shot. Looking at the flipped coin, obv you can't trade Embidd. He's embidd cmon. Unless you can get AD or somebody else big time. Honestly I'd trade AD for Embidd because of health really. Only if I knew AD would stay.

                                          • Darryl
                                            Darryl  3 months back

                                            James Harden AD can’t stay healthy either

                                        • Death Angel
                                          Death Angel  3 months back

                                          Is a teams best player more important than its second best?

                                          • RandallJ05
                                            RandallJ05  3 months back

                                            sneaky marketing technique. There are espn people in the live streams watching and seeing what people are arguing about the most...then it ends up being the subject on these shows. Ive been on the live streams and I see this was an exact debate we were having lol

                                            • Larry Kaye
                                              Larry Kaye  3 months back

                                              I agree that Philadelphia should not trade either one of them right now. With that said, has anyone ever considered the notion that Ben Simmons last Summer studied tape of the Boston series?What he came away with was that "I need to work on different ways to penetrate." It is obvious that he didn't work on his jump shot even a little bit. Simmons appears to be a lot more crafty with the ball and getting anywhere he wants to on the court, hence the idea that he worked on dribble penetration. If I were Coach Brown I would run my offense with a high/low post with Jimmy B running the point. Ben Simmons at the high post with his height, court vision, and passing ability it would be a rap. He would have so many options- (Kick it out to Reddick or back to Jimmy B. Out to Tobias Harris. Dump it down into the low post to Joel. Maybe even a pump fake, than Dibble drive). I guess my point is the coach needs to be more creative and flexible in finding ways for these two players to fit together, and at the same time get everyone else their touches.

                                              • Quis Smoke
                                                Quis Smoke  3 months back

                                                I don't think Simmons even works on his jump shooting

                                                • Brick Limmons
                                                  Brick Limmons  3 months back

                                                  Na. He was with Kendall and us alot.

                                              • shabazz360
                                                shabazz360  3 months back

                                                Yea he is but that health is scary.

                                                • Axel Pedersen
                                                  Axel Pedersen  3 months back


                                                  • Christine Zhou
                                                    Christine Zhou  3 months back

                                                    I agree with the older guy that 5 players on the court with different skills & abilities will win games! It isn't just one or two players to win a game! It takes a team to be great!!

                                                    • DrStrange YT
                                                      DrStrange YT  3 months back

                                                      If I was the 76 I trade embed for Ad because they play the same and ad is heather

                                                      • James Keen
                                                        James Keen  3 months back

                                                        Embiid health is troublesome but unless Simmons learns to shoot he is going to be a liability. He can get away with right now because of his athleticism but 3-4 years down the road he probably won’t be able to. Also I get the feeling he is going to split to la first chance he gets

                                                        • Ron F.
                                                          Ron F.  3 months back

                                                          Instead of trading Simmons, how about the front office stop fucking up and wasting its other valuable assets. From drafting Markelle Fultz to trading the 2021 Heat first round unprotected pick and Landry Shamet....those are horrible decisions.

                                                          Keep both of them and surround them the right players. Let go of Harris and Butler and chase the top 5 players (KD, Kawhi, Irving, Klay and Kemba) in free agency.

                                                          Randle could also be another option and a lot less to sign.

                                                          • CaiZen 7
                                                            CaiZen 7  3 months back

                                                            Of course this is the story to media create after that game 3 they making more Ben haters

                                                            • Jake Sturkie
                                                              Jake Sturkie  3 months back

                                                              HaHa play this at .25x speed they sound hilarious!

                                                              • KEVIN
                                                                KEVIN  3 months back

                                                                Embiid can't close games. He's a turnover machine in the crunch when doubled

                                                                • ErroneousE
                                                                  ErroneousE  3 months back

                                                                  George Washington because he can’t do it... he’s not a closer, but any position can be a closer its not guard restricted, that’s my point

                                                                • Alwa3s Movingg
                                                                  Alwa3s Movingg  3 months back

                                                                  @ErroneousE each person has a job on the sixers and that's not his job

                                                                • ErroneousE
                                                                  ErroneousE  3 months back

                                                                  George Washington who told you that? The closer is reserved for your best player, if they can...

                                                                • Alwa3s Movingg
                                                                  Alwa3s Movingg  3 months back

                                                                  That's not a center job

                                                              • Sailing Team
                                                                Sailing Team  3 months back

                                                                Why tf is he saying “big people” and “big person”? As if there’s any other gender than male playing in the nba, just say big man, shit is not that hard. That dude is really weird to me

                                                              • Beede Bawng
                                                                Beede Bawng  3 months back

                                                                This is why I don't respect the media. They're referencing that Sheridan article like it was based in truth. These buttholes will do anything for clicks.

                                                                Edit: Stephen A is clearly the only one who values his journalistic credibility.

                                                                • silviz 23
                                                                  silviz 23  3 months back

                                                                  Ben Simmons would be more valuable if he could shoot. He cannot shoot so his team can NEVER advance far in playoffs.

                                                                  • Joe B
                                                                    Joe B  3 months back

                                                                    Simmons is because of Embides health issues. How long is Embide going to be this good while his health is clearly getting the best of him. Simmons is clearly healthier and built for the long haul.

                                                                    • le pain
                                                                      le pain  3 months back

                                                                      Big men have more value than guards, period

                                                                      • Malik Watkins
                                                                        Malik Watkins  3 months back

                                                                        le pain not in today game. You gotta be able to shoot three’s, run pick and rolls offense and run the break. I don’t know a lot of centers that can do that

                                                                    • Jon Dunn
                                                                      Jon Dunn  3 months back

                                                                      I get how there are some similarities in skillset, but Ben Simmons is not nearly as athletic as the Greek Freak and his ceiling isn't nearly as high. Even when Giannis was younger and crazy raw the one thing is that he had freak athleticism and physical traits like his wingspan. Simmons is a good athlete, but he's not Giannis and will never be as good as Giannis is.

                                                                      He's a better passer, but his scoring potential and defensive potential are just much lower. Guys with poor jumpers entering the league like Giannis and Lebron were at least willing to take jumpers once in a while. Ben Simmons is much worse even compared to those guys even at their worst. We've never seen a guy that bad at shooting jumpers decelop into even an average shooter.

                                                                      • a s
                                                                        a s  3 months back


                                                                    • Devon Giroux
                                                                      Devon Giroux  3 months back

                                                                      As a Sixers fan, I can honestly say given a couple of years, Ben Simmons will be the most valuable on this team. He’s not nearly as injury prone as Joel. Without Joel clogging up the paint he can get any shot he wants down there, and when they double he kicks it to the shooters and the jumper will come with time. When that happens, he’d be in the class with giannis and harden as “unguardable”.

                                                                      • ssnnpp
                                                                        ssnnpp  3 months back

                                                                        to be honest, when Embiid went down last year Simmons led a team with a bunch of shooters on it to the playoffs winning 13 games in a row, as a rookie. Pretty sure he averaged a triple double as well.

                                                                    • K'MAN 215
                                                                      K'MAN 215  3 months back

                                                                      Stfu Max difference greek freek will shoot is a threat to shoot can hit a three/midrange jumper ben wont shoot can not shoot refuse to shoot how do these fools get millions to speak nonsense..

                                                                      • Jacob Thomas
                                                                        Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                        We'd LOVE to have Embiid in Boston. This fanbase wont boo you and will give you the same energy you give us. Nothing like winning in the Garden man, we love our guys and got their backs more than any other fanbase in the world.

                                                                        • Deepak Shankar
                                                                          Deepak Shankar  3 months back

                                                                          Jacob Thomas we never booed Embiid and people always say that Philly is the worst place to lose but the best place to win... Philly LOVES our guys

                                                                        • Peter Smith
                                                                          Peter Smith  3 months back

                                                                          Jacob Thomas Ur spoiled

                                                                        • Robert Wisdom
                                                                          Robert Wisdom  3 months back

                                                                          I don't want Embiid. He's only 21 and already injury prone.

                                                                      • Obito xshinobi
                                                                        Obito xshinobi  3 months back

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                                                                        • Jacob Thomas
                                                                          Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                          Swap Kyrie for Embiid

                                                                          • Jacob Thomas
                                                                            Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                            @Robert Wisdom
                                                                            Better than trading the whole house for AD.

                                                                          • Robert Wisdom
                                                                            Robert Wisdom  3 months back

                                                                            No thank you. We'll keep Kyrie. No need for a 21 year old injury prone center.

                                                                        • Jacob Thomas
                                                                          Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                          Danny Ainge needs to call up Elton Brand, and offer Horford, Smart and 2 picks for Joell.

                                                                          • Peter Smith
                                                                            Peter Smith  3 months back

                                                                            Jacob Thomas That would be Terrible for Sixers

                                                                          • Jacob Thomas
                                                                            Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                            2 picks, Hayward, Smart. Theis. Final offer.

                                                                            They get a franchise wing, a starting PG, 2 draft picks and a solid frontcourt depth piece. Let Harris walk. Much better balance of scoring and defense. Center team around Ben and draft a new big with no health concerns.
                                                                            Smart, Butler, Hayward, Ben, (rookie)

                                                                            We get a franchise big to play with our young core and some consolidated wing depth.
                                                                            Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Horford Embiid.

                                                                          • Jacob Thomas
                                                                            Jacob Thomas  3 months back

                                                                            @Robert Wisdom
                                                                            Horford has 1 year left. Smart is overrated. Those 2 picks are worth it.

                                                                          • Peter Smith
                                                                            Peter Smith  3 months back

                                                                            That would be such a win for the Celtics

                                                                          • Anthony Womack
                                                                            Anthony Womack  3 months back

                                                                            Fuck no